travsha wrote:ryanmercer wrote:What i see here is you are quitting magick because you got a B- instead of an A on a grade of some schoolwork.
What you fail to see is that, perhaps whatever forces you were working with wanted to teach you a lesson, that they are not there to help you get good grades... that you are better off spending the time you spent trying to get them to influence your grades on studying. I see your work as a success here, they taught you that getting the grades were well within YOUR control and that you were being lazy by coming to them hoping a ritual would get you a good grade.
Magick is not a replacement for applying yourself 100% to a task, be it becoming fantastically wealthy or getting a good grade on an exam. Spirits and other forces are not there to do your work for you, they are there to help you. To me it looks like you were taught a great lesson and instead of learning that lesson and applying magick to things less out of your control you decided to abandon magick entirely.
Getting a good grade was something 100% within your control. If you failed to get a good grade, that is ENTIRELY on you.
Dude, grades arent all about studying at all. Some of it has to do with inherent abilities, and also with how well that particular subject and teacher resonate with you.
Magic is great for help studying, and also great for help getting better grades. Actually, the best option would be to work both angles instead of just one.
You keep saying they are quitting magic because they got a bad grade, but really, they are quitting because magic had no effect for them. Big difference, and you are too busy acting high and mighty to read what she is actually saying. Helping others starts with listening to them - you arent listening and you arent helping.
Some of what you said in this last post is actually true, but it is so convoluted with your other dogmatic crap and limitations on magic, that most people would miss the small bits of advice you gave that actually made sense.
There are numerous threads in the NAP section where individuals reported they did not get what they want. OP has NAP in the title, I'm assuming this is the system they were using. Some admitted that perhaps what they were asking for was not for them, some admitted they had doubt going into the working (which would be a cause for failure), some admitted frustration of continually asking for something and doing the work and not receiving it with others giving the advice that perhaps the spirits didn't see it as the proper thing and/or that maybe this system isn't for them.
It also appears they did it once and expected miraculous results. They didn't get their miraculous result so they are throwing in the towel and felt the need to tell us of their faiure and premature cessation of magick. That is not beneficial to the community, it may sow a seed of doubt in the minds of a new practitioner that stumbles upon the post, it may sow a seed of doubt in someone's mind that is a skilled practitioner but is uncertain about a particular outcome... further damaging their results. What I see, is someone that lacks the discipline to study and turned to a quick bit of magick for instant results... they need this flaw pointed out so they can better themselves in their practices and they need a slap in the face to realize magick isn't 100% effective and to not give up over such a small defeat.
I also see someone ungrateful, many people would be overjoyed at a B or even B- via natural or supernatural means. Yet another thing the magician could use work in, being thankful for ANY result. The spirits could have gone "heh, this guy is lazy, lets show him and make him completely fail!" it appears the instead decided a few % points on a paper/exam/assigment weren't worth their time or efforts for someone so rushed for results that was doubting the process at a subconcious (and it appears concious) level.
I do not need to spell everything out to individuals here, if they can not read between the lines and see the bigger picture then magick probably won't work for them either. They need to be able to think, to analyze, to interpret results and outcomes as well as advice from others.