(My thoughts on) Elubatel's negative effects

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Re: (My thoughts on) Elubatel's negative effects

Post#11 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:41 am

summerland wrote:I asked Elubatel why i feel depression after i summon him...He said it is of my own self image that what i ask of him i subconsciously feel that it will fail.... So yes i guess it is of my own self destruction that i sabotage myself. He also noted that he doesnt have emotions therefore success can be given whether pain can be endured to achieve my goal. He has no concept of human feelings.

Interesting thou....He has no concept of time either... His words are take 2 seconds and split them apart between the past and the present...This is the energy that surrounds him. His time frame is in the now which might be to us days or hours or weeks


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But stating "Good Post" is not really enough. You have defined what is is to be an angel (or demon) to a tee in a very concise manner. Here is the one constant that we have in magic which is the constant clash between human expectations and angelic or demonic action. Left to me I would make your post a Sticky for the newbies. With out getting into your Business May I ask "If you could re do it what would you do better?". I would guess it would be to plan for success better A good plan does help things along nicer. but the wrong plan will not. But I would like to understand your thoughts as you went through the process.
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Re: (My thoughts on) Elubatel's negative effects

Post#12 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:51 am

summerland wrote: His time frame is in the now which might be to us days or hours or weeks


When you say now, I guess it is less than a sec. Non-time at all. But probably this is also which makes one eternal. Some spirits are like that, we are not. Well, what we are expected to experience in our life-time, maybe it all can happen in one day only...but that is why we have life - to extend all what we are about to experience maximally...
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Re: (My thoughts on) Elubatel's negative effects

Post#13 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:08 pm

Pablo wrote:
summerland wrote:I asked Elubatel why i feel depression after i summon him...He said it is of my own self image that what i ask of him i subconsciously feel that it will fail.... So yes i guess it is of my own self destruction that i sabotage myself. He also noted that he doesnt have emotions therefore success can be given whether pain can be endured to achieve my goal. He has no concept of human feelings.

Interesting thou....He has no concept of time either... His words are take 2 seconds and split them apart between the past and the present...This is the energy that surrounds him. His time frame is in the now which might be to us days or hours or weeks


:goodpost
But stating "Good Post" is not really enough. You have defined what is is to be an angel (or demon) to a tee in a very concise manner. Here is the one constant that we have in magic which is the constant clash between human expectations and angelic or demonic action. Left to me I would make your post a Sticky for the newbies. With out getting into your Business May I ask "If you could re do it what would you do better?". I would guess it would be to plan for success better A good plan does help things along nicer. but the wrong plan will not. But I would like to understand your thoughts as you went through the process.


Thank you Pablo!... Yes a better plan for success... Think of Elubatel as a strictly business man. He wants all the details down to the tee... So yes bring a proposal and how you want to implement it if it is a business sort of deal. And how you want it to play out. He has never been human so he knows nothing of emotions whether good or bad. Because he has no idea of time ask him to be subtle (gradual) with what you want. He really doesnt give a rip if you try to explain that you are human and to be gentle and not turn your world upside down.
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Re: (My thoughts on) Elubatel's negative effects

Post#14 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:40 pm

Could the depression be part of it and a necessary tool? Maybe we need to work through those feelings?

Suicidal ideation - which I never experienced before in my life - came about as part of my own success working.

Thankfully I have friends, a partner, and a cat as my anchor. I also recognized it for the opportunity that it was. I got through it, but the suicidal feelings were telling me something - and at the end of it, they were my teacher. I knew what my real purpose was, because without living it, I wouldn't find life worth living. I feel much closer to my authentic self since that discovery and it renewed my commitment to the path I'm on. I also ended up even closer to my gods and spirits, who got me through it.

When I pivoted my thinking to "alright, what would make me want to live," I had a crystal clear magical objective and a vision for my life direction.

Maybe we try to run from feelings when part of magic is dealing with the difficult ones.

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Re: (My thoughts on) Elubatel's negative effects

Post#15 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:07 pm

Aye. A sink or swim situation. A necessary refinement that brings one closer in achieving one's goals.

Reminds me of Job 23:10 -

But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.

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Re: (My thoughts on) Elubatel's negative effects

Post#16 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:59 pm

NoxLumina wrote:Could the depression be part of it and a necessary tool? Maybe we need to work through those feelings?

Suicidal ideation - which I never experienced before in my life - came about as part of my own success working.

Thankfully I have friends, a partner, and a cat as my anchor. I also recognized it for the opportunity that it was. I got through it, but the suicidal feelings were telling me something - and at the end of it, they were my teacher. I knew what my real purpose was, because without living it, I wouldn't find life worth living. I feel much closer to my authentic self since that discovery and it renewed my commitment to the path I'm on. I also ended up even closer to my gods and spirits, who got me through it.

When I pivoted my thinking to "alright, what would make me want to live," I had a crystal clear magical objective and a vision for my life direction.

Maybe we try to run from feelings when part of magic is dealing with the difficult ones.

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Im not wanting to kill myself......
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