What would a chaos magician say about goetia. I agree personally with some aspects of chaos magick. Though in my experience these are real spirits,that need to be bound in a triangle. For example, for a martial spirit evocation, Chaotes had the evocation of Tyler Durden from fight club. I personally find goetia to be more than or different from a subjective archetype from the sub-conscious. I agree that one could do the self made archetype but it is not the same as conjuring a spirit. This idea does not offend me, I just do not agree with it. What do you think?