PGM IV 154-285: Initiation with Typhon for Bowl Divination

Syncretic Egyptian / Graeco-Roman magic from the collection of texts known as the Papyri Graecae Magicae.
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Re: PGM IV 154-285: Initiation with Typhon for Bowl Divination

Post#21 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:18 pm

Nashimiron wrote:Ahh the gods always put obstacles in our way! Only the most persistent get results.

As soon as I started working on pitch to get the right tones for planetary work, I got a bad ear infection and couldn't hear the pitch pipe I was using! Even Crowley says somewhere that as soon as you start doing real magic work it suddenly becomes almost impossible to obtain basic items which the day before were abundant. Maybe these are delaying tactics by nefarious spirits who know that most people will lose interest, if put off for long enough. The only solution is to maintain one-pointed focus on the intention until it is achieved. And if your car's broken down, maybe get the bus. ;)


So this is normal then? Noted. Because I've been experiencing a lot of turbulence lately, but it seems like purposeful turbulence. It's very odd.

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Post#22 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:44 pm

Alright everyone, so I had a pretty long interruption from this working because of some extreme life changes, but this ritual has always been on my mind, and now I’m finally preparing to do it in earnest. A few months ago I received what I felt was a sign that it’s right to begin working on this again. I believe I have everything I need to do it (the bronze bowl, Black Band of Isis, etc), so now I’m just doing some preparation. I’ve done the Headless One rite recently and it had a dramatic effect on me, so I’m going to be incorporating that into my routine more often. There are a couple other sorts of preparatory rites from The Book of Abrasax that I’ve had good experiences with too, so I’m feeling it out and using some of these rites as sort of cleansing and empowering rituals. Most of the preparation, however, is memorizing the invocation for 154-285, which is fairly long and contains a huge long string of barbarous words. I know myself well enough to know I can, and have, memorized more difficult things, it’s just a matter of going over it with myself day after day for awhile to really ingrain it in my mind. Really the best way to memorize things for me is to actually practice them, but this isn’t the sort of thing you perform as an excercise over and over. Perhaps I can find some sort of way to do “rehearsals” without attracting too much attention.

Anyway, I’ve started the process of committing it to memory, and I’m hoping to start performing some other preparatory rites more regularly, so I’ll post my results here as I go.
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Re: PGM IV 154-285: Initiation with Typhon for Bowl Divination

Post#23 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:05 pm

Loagaeth wrote:
Anyway, I’ve started the process of committing it to memory, and I’m hoping to start performing some other preparatory rites more regularly, so I’ll post my results here as I go.


Cause Im a reckless cavalier, i kind of played this out differently, i read the invocation 3 times, then laid on a bench style seat with incense coals and frankincense underneath the bench, and the phylactery was like a funeral plaque laid on my chest. Worked VERY well. I will be writing up my experience tomorrow (did it yesterday). Mine is slightly different than laid out in the PGM or by leonardo drakon. Im very curious to see how your experience turns out. I remember when i found his articles i was extremely happy to see someone else was giving it attention, as i had already dug through it for its typhonic content in my own set/hekate/typhonic/papyric focused work. Threads like this and blogs like his are what inspired me to add in the initiation from this and integrate it into the wider system.
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Re: PGM IV 154-285: Initiation with Typhon for Bowl Divination

Post#24 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:30 pm

nipha333 wrote:
Loagaeth wrote:
Anyway, I’ve started the process of committing it to memory, and I’m hoping to start performing some other preparatory rites more regularly, so I’ll post my results here as I go.


Cause Im a reckless cavalier, i kind of played this out differently, i read the invocation 3 times, then laid on a bench style seat with incense coals and frankincense underneath the bench, and the phylactery was like a funeral plaque laid on my chest. Worked VERY well. I will be writing up my experience tomorrow (did it yesterday). Mine is slightly different than laid out in the PGM or by leonardo drakon. Im very curious to see how your experience turns out. I remember when i found his articles i was extremely happy to see someone else was giving it attention, as i had already dug through it for its typhonic content in my own set/hekate/typhonic/papyric focused work. Threads like this and blogs like his are what inspired me to add in the initiation from this and integrate it into the wider system.


See, this is why I don’t want to read it aloud before I’m prepared: I’m afraid it will just accidentally start happening! And I guess if it’s time then that fine, but I suppose I have that whole “I want Typhon and I’s first time to be special” thing going on too. This ritual has been calling to me for awhile, and as of late I’ve been getting these signs sort of like it’s “calling” me, so it doesn’t seem strange that it could just start happening if I initiate it even just in practice. I suppose really that may not be such a bad thing.

Your experience is interesting though, and reminds me that it’s probably going to be highly individual for each person. I’m glad you brought up the phylactery too, because I do realize now that I still need to make that.

I can’t wait to read your write up of your experience! You and Leonardo are the only two people I’ve spoken to, besides myself, who have done this.
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Post#25 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:22 am

I think it might be a modern, Golden Dawn / Abramelin inspired misunderstanding to think of these things as a one off that you only do once. I've seen people with a different perspective (Academics) come to the conclusion that these rites are actually more like empowerments which would be done occasionally, or repeated before a major working.

I've done rites where I've built it up by practicing and getting it better over repetitions. You could also try whispering it into the ear of an inanimate object or a sleeping cat to practice. That's not a joke by the way. :D

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Post#26 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:41 pm

Nashimiron wrote:I think it might be a modern, Golden Dawn / Abramelin inspired misunderstanding to think of these things as a one off that you only do once. I've seen people with a different perspective (Academics) come to the conclusion that these rites are actually more like empowerments which would be done occasionally, or repeated before a major working.

I've done rites where I've built it up by practicing and getting it better over repetitions. You could also try whispering it into the ear of an inanimate object or a sleeping cat to practice. That's not a joke by the way. :D


have you ever read the thread where i detail my six year long intensive with so called liber samekh? i 100% agree with the assertion that repetition brings results.
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Re: PGM IV 154-285: Initiation with Typhon for Bowl Divination

Post#27 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:19 am

nipha333 wrote:have you ever read the thread where i detail my six year long intensive with so called liber samekh? i 100% agree with the assertion that repetition brings results.


Damn! 6 years is a long time. I've done it for a few months continuously in the past. It certainly builds up the more you do it.

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Re: PGM IV 154-285: Initiation with Typhon for Bowl Divination

Post#28 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:35 pm

Nashimiron wrote:
nipha333 wrote:have you ever read the thread where i detail my six year long intensive with so called liber samekh? i 100% agree with the assertion that repetition brings results.


Damn! 6 years is a long time. I've done it for a few months continuously in the past. It certainly builds up the more you do it.


yes. i talk about it one of the liber "samekh" style threads that have recently been moved into this PGM forum. dont remember which one
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