tai wrote:What is your source for Beelzebub = Azazel, Leviathan = Azael and Behemoth = Mahazael? I ask because according to your explanation Beelzebub is higher than Leviathan whereas in Abramelin Leviathan is higher in ranking than Beelzebub.
The names "Azael, Azazael, Mahazael, and Samyazaz" are from the book of Enoch - but significantly - they are all connected to "AZ" which means "conflict, opposition, anti-" So Azael is literally, the "opposer of El", Azaz is a way to emphasize a term by doubling it. This is like saying you "more", and maha means "most". Finally Samy means My name is, and shows it is on some IDEAL level, or the very epitome of. Thus these are all basically gradations of the same notion of "opposer of el". Samyazaz is "Samael"
These are not "higher" that one another - they are different in "concentration." They are the singular, double, thrice and quarterly compounded natures of the same thing. This oral tradition is older than the discovery of the book of enoch, but it is supported in its discovery. Furthermore, this is useful in understanding the Chassidic work of the Lubavitch which is the practicing arm of Qabala among the Chabad (formed of the first letters of Chokmah, Binah, and Daath).
This is not where I learned this, but it is a source fairly easy to verify. I learned it from oral tradition when I was young.
The connection to Beezebub, Leviathan, Behemoth, was part of that oral tradition which alludes to the book of Job. For the connection of Job and Enoch, look to the biblical texts. The last supper of the victory banquet in the heavens will be when the behemoth (on the earth), ziz (in the skies), and leviathan (in the seas) will be served up - which is allegory for the consuption of the opposition after it has served it's purpose.
raum215 wrote:Elubatel (of Air) has power over Leviathan (Air controls Water, expecially in Lunar aspect, such as Elubatel - who mirrors the luminary that makes visible the night). BUT - his infernal correspondent is Beelzebub - not Leviathan.
Which elemental scheme/hierarchy are you using here?
Largely the same one I always use. The one that originates in the ideas that were compounded by Agrippa and Paracelsus to prevent abuse.
Fire (Heat) and Air (Cold) are aspects of Energia , and act as sustainers of the Hyle (Matter) which are elementally attributed to Water and Earth. On the level of the supernals, there is no division of earth and water. So Fire, Air, and Watter/Earth are the triplicity of the FOUR Mother letters, Aleph, Heh, Vau, and Yod. These four letters were the key to true pronunciation and even proper cadence of Hebrew Recitation before diacritics later developed. They were called even before the Masoretes, by the Romans "Matres Lectiones" - The Mothers of Reading. The notion of "Mother Letters" is not Hebrew.
They are concealed by the Talmudics in the mysteries of Aleph, Mem, and Shin. These are
Aleph = Yod
Mem = Heh
Shin = Aleph/Vau
These are in one way matched by the understandings of the elements among many other people - before neo-platonic revisions.
You seem to suggest that Elubatel corresponds with Yesod/Moon but I’m not fully convinced - although I do understand this logic.
Yesod is not the sphere of the Moon. It is the sphere of action as a sanctifying force of the material world. it correlates heavily with the Svadisthana Chakra (positively and negatively), which is actually in Vedism a trait of Rahu and Ketu. Golden Dawn Qabala attributes many of the traits of Yesod to the paths which emanate from it.
Yesod is but one aspect of the Ninth Sphere, which is the second gate of understanding. There in the ninth sphere MANY yesods, one of which is the means by which Shaddai called El Chai is the motivating for the junction of the sphere called Binah to the Sphere called Chokmah, which makes Chokmah a different Chokmah called Ratzon. Hence, Wisdom become Will when the Foundation is Strong. This is crucial to the real facility of Yesod as present in the supernals, and why in golden daw methodology the path of gimel intersects the path between Binah and Yesod, and leads from Kether of Tiphareth... and overlaps Daath which is the essend of the entire Middle Pillar.
(As you will ask for a source, I recommend Sepher Sha'ar Aur.)
I have been unsuccessful in determining which planet Elubatel corresponds to (ironic eh?) and thus unable to make a satisfactory seal.
He is above the Yetzirah - his nature is superior to conventional planetary division.
I can provide a seal if you like.
He definitely has a connection to the concept of balance, the Adjustment card, Lamed and Libra. Even the seal of Elubatel provided by Vovin - and one which I have used with success - looks like a reversed Lamed. Elubatel’s power over Leviathan finds correspondence in the Egytpian goddess Maat and the psychostasis, where Ammut awaits to devour souls beneath the scales.
I would like to see this seal. It is not something I have seen. I can see what you mean about the Egyptian. Ebony was much more likely to use Egyptian mythology in magick than I. I have done some - but it is not my forte by any means. Some people think this is odd for me, but I just gotta be me. I do know some though, and I think your comparison is worth consideration.
(On a sidenote the concept of weight is of key importance in the psychostasis, where heart must be neither too heavy nor too light when weighed against the feather of Maat to pass into eternity. The hieroglyph for the feather is Shu, meaning “emptiness” or “void”)
This is all instrumental in the nature of Hanuman as well as the interplay of the Hot and Cold of Eneria which was observed to affect Hyle (Matter) specifically in the effects of evaporation and condensation.
I do not think Elubatel is a solar entity.
There would be no reason to think he is, that I know of.
The double repetition of “El” in his name points toward Jupiter in its aspect of establishment and expansion.
El is not to me primarily equated with the palace in Assiah called "Tzedek" which is Jupiter. Nor is Chesed's primary correlation Jupiter. El is not a the name of God connected to the heaven of Assiah called Tzedek, i.e. "Jupiter." That is a perfect example of the problems with "correspondence". El is the name of God for those IN Chesed... it is not OF Chesed. The God of those in Chesed is Elohim, opf which only the El is visible.
The Hindu god Ganesh, for example, is a Jupiterian deity in its aspect of “removing obstacles/restrictions.” If anyone has credible evidence to indicate which planet/sephiroth Elubatel corresponds to, I would be interested to hear it…
Planets are not sephiroth. ALL planets are in Assiah. They are the Heavens of Assiah. but they are at most on the path of Tau in the Golden Dawn Tree. Trying to navigate the Yetzirah with a planetary compass will just keep you running in circles. Elubatel is not a being with a planetary agency.
You have to provide sources for your references
I also have done the bornless 3 times. I felt as though my chair was spinning out of control when I did this. Topic "Crazy ride with Elubatel" is what I experienced with Elubatel at first, with the weird mishaps. But never an invasion of flies occurred.
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