Why do we command the spirit/entities that we call upon to help us in NAP? I don't feel comfortable with the commanding tone. I guess if you are asking somebody for help you should be at least humble, or is that the tone for magic to work?
Akubata
BrotherButterball wrote:Hello Akubata,
The tone you described was part of the authors Geof Gray Cobbs form of magic.
Some magicians command spirits with the Divine Authority that the God gives
man and woman. Magician Carrol Poke Runyon will tend to command deities
and then apologize in another statement that the magician makes.
Something like this: "We are sorry most noble spirit for commanding Thee.
Our desire is only to communicate with Thee..."
And finally some magicians do not take a commanding tone.
Tim
Slater wrote:Lately, seeing as the author himself changed his approach in his later years, I have exchanged the word "command" with "Request"
So..."XXX I command thine aid", becomes, "XXX I request thine aid". See how it works. If it doesn't work, switch back to the approach that does.
It does seem the intent changes and request just might not cut it...time will tell.
summerland wrote:Slater, Have you tried that approach with Elubatel? Just would like some insight on it. Greatly appreciated.
Slater wrote:summerland wrote:Slater, Have you tried that approach with Elubatel? Just would like some insight on it. Greatly appreciated.
I haven't worked with Elubatel. He is pretty high up there so I'd at the very least be respectful. I think if I were to work with him as of this moment, I'd be likely to go with request rather than command. Like i said...Gray-Cobb changed his stance on the language later in life.
That said...others have been told by an angel not to say "please" when asking of them...that it was too close to pleading and bowing to them...something reserved for the Divine. (that may or may not be a clue as to the filter or aspect of the spirit presented)
I do think that relationship of sorts is really where it's at with some spirits. Not all.
I certainly don't "demand" an angel's presence in my normal full evocations.
mrblack wrote:I've amended all of the NAP rituals to not sound commanding and be more
respectful.
The way I see it, I don't really need to command them to do what I asked them
to do unless it's something that is unaligned with their nature, and even then
I don't bother since there are other entities that will gladly do what I ask so.
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