What is this?

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Re: What is this?

Post#41 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:27 am

talerman wrote:Hi Summerland,

I am sure you are going to make through this crises too, but I have a feeling, that this spirit, Elubatel, maybe doesn't resonate with you, it could be that something is missing between two of you, maybe there is a lack of mutual sympathy, and maybe, he is just giving you too demanding tasks...I mean, really, if you already had a hard time with him, why do you go back to him? There are thousands and thousands of other spirits...Just give him the middle finger, and go on .... Really, I mean, what's enough it is enough. I don't say that Elubatel is not a great spirit, I think he really is, but he is just not great for you.

I didnt summon him. Thats the point.
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Post#42 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:52 am

I understand Summerland, thank you for your clarification, now I need to think about this...and I also believe that this is a good info for others too.

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Post#43 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:03 am

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Post#44 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:43 am

MagiAwen wrote:As far as I can tell and remember (because I'm usually only paying attention to the forum for a few weeks each year when I'm working with people here), there were at least four of us who called Elubatel in a similar fashion all about 1-2 years ago. I believe Summerland did his about a year or 18 months ago, mine in the spring of 2012. We have all had similar results with this....what we are calling current that shows up.

What you ask for happens, however, if you balk at the seemingly negative things that move you quickly to that end, if you fight them or if, when the current slows and things seem to have "stopped", you go backwards, it seems to start up again. Usually subsiding 6 months at a time.

I am starting to think, however, that other things are also at work here.

Summerland,
I am leaving you some advice here because it may also be helpful for others, not just with Elubatel but in general. Feel free to continue to PM though, concerning what we spoke of earlier.

Don't fight the current. Part of the reason I think some of us describe it as a current is because it is different than other things that come up through an invocation or evocation. Like a river's current, the more you fight it, itself, the more tired you are going to get.

Negative things are only negative until we are able to get far enough past them to find that in the larger picture they weren't all that negative or they were necessary.

As was discussed other places, when this current arrives opportunities are flung at you from all directions, some of them are difficult to recognize as such and it can be overwhelming to have so many and seemingly so many directions to go in. You CAN weed them out. Part of this seems also to be teaching the magician not only to see opportunities out there but to recognize bullshit.

Since you are stressing and can't seem to remember dreams, have you tried simply asking Elubatel to show you what you need to know? Try letting go of your internal struggle and meditating on what it is "he" is trying to get through to you. Tell him to stop having you guess if that is what is happening.

Remember that the magicians in the old grimoires would call up the powers in order to learn how to be magicians or to be better magicians or to learn how to do something. They were not all just toying with trying to get "superpowers" and be batman. They were calling up these entities to be their instructors of the things they seemed to have influence over.

Elubatel, or this current, is not against you personally. Again it's similar to a river, river's don't try to kill people or make their lives harder, they are just rivers. You cannot get in one and then blame the river for not being able to swim well. But you CAN relax and see where it takes you and do your best to avoid snags and rocks. You can also do your best to have the river slow down and gently move you to the shore.

Magician's are conduits for forces, you are able to direct this or at least understand how to flow with it. It won't all be tragic circumstances that come about, by working with it both magically and mundanely you can master it and it will from there subside and stay that way.

When the current seems to have instigated something negative, losing job...go out and look for that job that opened on or about the day that this happened. I have not seen yet where something in this current was "taken away" when there wasn't something better out there, you just have to be wide open for finding it, in all ways. Be proactive about your financial situation, find the community resources available to you to mitigate your situation...you will either find something to get you through the interim or on the way to that you will find something else. Perhaps some lost cash. It happens.

Take salt baths, meditate clear your home of other negative influences. I'm still thinking there is something else going on other than this current coming back strong.... perhaps even something that instigated it. It's not up to find out exactly what, you'll drive yourself crazy trying to pin down the source, instead start ruling things out by doing some or all of these things.

Be careful you don't curse yourself.

:goodpost Thank you MagiAwen! Really! I mean this!.... i think you know this current better than a lot. I have thought about summoning Elubatel. Not invoking because i have enough of his current running through me. I sent you a pm, I believe i know what triggered this.
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Re: What is this?

Post#45 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:40 am

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Re: What is this?

Post#46 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:08 am

MagiAwen wrote:You don't have to summon him man...this has already been done....you just have to learn from him/it/the situation. That's it just open up, be positive and learn.

Also, again, figuring out or ascribing what may have set it off...while it may be correct, doesn't really matter.
Don't get caught up in the stuff that doesn't matter...just what is and what is happening...the how and why come later if they do...it's almost inconsequential information. Don't get too wrapped up in the details.

Besides that...getting "rid of" what you think triggered it.... didn't stop it.....did it? NOOOOO... so... again...doesn't matter if you think you figured out the why or how...just learn from the circumstances you're in and move forward positively.

Thank you MagiAwen!....Point taken.... Yep there are other reasons for his presence. I guess ill find out. Believe me i am learning,, While im stamping out fires (so it seems) That interesting that all of us have experienced similar circumstances around the same time frame.
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Post#47 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:26 pm

Dont know what this means......The Dream I had, I saw what looked like a toyota jeep it was multicolored, I remember the fenders were blue and the jeep gold or green? I saw the license plate and a black box attached to the back. I saw it leaving from a tall spiked metal fence like one you see in mansions with security cameras taking pictures of the license plate on the jeep (safari type jeep). The word surveillance was said to me. Really weird dream. So MagiAwen what does it mean? First time in a long time i remembered my dreams.
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Re: What is this?

Post#48 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:48 pm

This current comes in waves. It calms down.... then the tidal wave again. Im running around stamping out fires...
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Post#49 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:24 am

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Re: What is this?

Post#50 » Sat May 24, 2014 12:21 am

MagiAwen wrote:hmmm I dunno Summerland. I'm not a dream interpreter really. It's my belief that only the person having the dream can truly interpret their dream. Same with tarot readings and horoscopes. Some say vehicles driven in dreams represent your spiritual body. I used to have a jeep, live in a place with iron gates...and I've been watching you. HAH! Don't turn off your flight recorder (black box) :D

Hmmm...I found myself in the market for a new to me vehicle. This weekend I looked at several smaller utility vehicles and a jaguar. Didn't see a big cat in the dream huh? I was wondering if that deal was as good as it seemed or not. :D

Keep smiling Summerland.

So MagiAwen... Did you buy the jaguar? What did you buy? Jags have alot of problems from what im told. Maybe a hummer?
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